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	<title>Comments on: Adobe AIR on Linux: Pre-Beta Testers Needed</title>
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		<title>By: Adobe Air for Linux testing &#124; ProgrammerFish &#124; Everything that's programmed: OpenSource, Gadgets, Cloud Computing, Reviews, Technology, Freeware, Startups</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesward.com/2008/02/20/adobe-air-on-linux-pre-beta-testers-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-124722</link>
		<dc:creator>Adobe Air for Linux testing &#124; ProgrammerFish &#124; Everything that's programmed: OpenSource, Gadgets, Cloud Computing, Reviews, Technology, Freeware, Startups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] manager at abaweja - at - adobe - dot - com with answers to the following questions (picked from James Ward&#8217;s post before the first Labs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] manager at abaweja &#8211; at &#8211; adobe &#8211; dot &#8211; com with answers to the following questions (picked from James Ward&#8217;s post before the first Labs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: phenotypical &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Adobe Air Linuxra</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesward.com/2008/02/20/adobe-air-on-linux-pre-beta-testers-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-109067</link>
		<dc:creator>phenotypical &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Adobe Air Linuxra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Linuxra.  Nagy sz?kség?k is van beta teszterekkel - akkor ha szeretnél segíteni, jelenkezz be itt.Egyébként, amiután a Flex Builder Linuxra megjelent, gyanitom hogy diákok, tanárok és [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Linuxra.  Nagy sz?kség?k is van beta teszterekkel &#8211; akkor ha szeretnél segíteni, jelenkezz be itt.Egyébként, amiután a Flex Builder Linuxra megjelent, gyanitom hogy diákok, tanárok és [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adobe Air on Linux : pre-beta testers needed &#171; Laurent&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesward.com/2008/02/20/adobe-air-on-linux-pre-beta-testers-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-98660</link>
		<dc:creator>Adobe Air on Linux : pre-beta testers needed &#171; Laurent&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesward.com/2008/02/20/adobe-air-on-linux-pre-beta-testers-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-97294</link>
		<dc:creator>James Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points.  Thanks noirbizarre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points.  Thanks noirbizarre.</p>
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		<title>By: noirbizarre</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesward.com/2008/02/20/adobe-air-on-linux-pre-beta-testers-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-97217</link>
		<dc:creator>noirbizarre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I agree with you that most users directly use the official Firefox binary.
But I think the real benefit of open-sourcing is not customizing but portage.
Open-sourced projects give the user the ability to recompile it for special architectures.
As a common use case: 64bits architectures. Most of the binary only softwares aren&#039;t usables for 64bits architecture.

Another benefit, is inclusion into the Linux distribution. If you want AIR work out of the box on Linux, open-source is the only way. Binary only will only be available as unofficial installation and not very well integrated into the distribution (for most of them). And that, I think it must be a major argument for Adobe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I agree with you that most users directly use the official Firefox binary.<br />
But I think the real benefit of open-sourcing is not customizing but portage.<br />
Open-sourced projects give the user the ability to recompile it for special architectures.<br />
As a common use case: 64bits architectures. Most of the binary only softwares aren&#8217;t usables for 64bits architecture.</p>
<p>Another benefit, is inclusion into the Linux distribution. If you want AIR work out of the box on Linux, open-source is the only way. Binary only will only be available as unofficial installation and not very well integrated into the distribution (for most of them). And that, I think it must be a major argument for Adobe.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Charlton</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesward.com/2008/02/20/adobe-air-on-linux-pre-beta-testers-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-93424</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Guest: You really help Linux community members look like serious technologists; right on leva.

@Everyone Who Cares: When I mentioned Linux is coming to AIR at a PHP-based conference recently people got pretty excited. I know this is a great step and a right step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Guest: You really help Linux community members look like serious technologists; right on leva.</p>
<p>@Everyone Who Cares: When I mentioned Linux is coming to AIR at a PHP-based conference recently people got pretty excited. I know this is a great step and a right step.</p>
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		<title>By: DL1t's blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL1t's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i expect air to be just a sucking linux port as is flash. go on releasing your closed source work. its just disgusting from a users point of view. then why should i care about your other products?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i expect air to be just a sucking linux port as is flash. go on releasing your closed source work. its just disgusting from a users point of view. then why should i care about your other products?</p>
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		<title>By: Adobe porterà AIR su Linux &#171; Fermi School Club</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adobe porterà AIR su Linux &#171; Fermi School Club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reclutamento dei prebeta tester è già iniziata dal 20 del mese scorso, mentre l&#8217;annuncio del futuro [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Uri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

You&#039;re right of course. But I&#039;m sure cross-platform consistency is just as important to Sun, and it still released the code to Java. That&#039;s also the situation with Mozilla: even though the source code is available, the overwhelming majority still use the official Mozilla builds, and only a very small minority actually change the code and build their own version. Those that do probably do it for things like debugging HTML or extensions, profiling, and fixing bugs - changes that can be merged back upstream. You simply don&#039;t see anyone offering their own modified Firefox version, because consistency is important to the users as well.

Likewise with AIR, I&#039;m sure that almost everyone will choose to use Adobe&#039;s official builds on all the supported platforms. The very few that don&#039;t will probably do so for a good reason and will know they&#039;re responsible if their client doesn&#039;t work. The much bigger change is that AIR might be available on platforms Adobe did not intend to support, and while the port may not be perfect I think it&#039;s still better overall than not having it available on those platforms at all.

I&#039;m not saying open-sourcing AIR is essential, AIR is useful with or without the source code, it&#039;s just a little more useful with it.

Uri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right of course. But I&#8217;m sure cross-platform consistency is just as important to Sun, and it still released the code to Java. That&#8217;s also the situation with Mozilla: even though the source code is available, the overwhelming majority still use the official Mozilla builds, and only a very small minority actually change the code and build their own version. Those that do probably do it for things like debugging HTML or extensions, profiling, and fixing bugs &#8211; changes that can be merged back upstream. You simply don&#8217;t see anyone offering their own modified Firefox version, because consistency is important to the users as well.</p>
<p>Likewise with AIR, I&#8217;m sure that almost everyone will choose to use Adobe&#8217;s official builds on all the supported platforms. The very few that don&#8217;t will probably do so for a good reason and will know they&#8217;re responsible if their client doesn&#8217;t work. The much bigger change is that AIR might be available on platforms Adobe did not intend to support, and while the port may not be perfect I think it&#8217;s still better overall than not having it available on those platforms at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying open-sourcing AIR is essential, AIR is useful with or without the source code, it&#8217;s just a little more useful with it.</p>
<p>Uri</p>
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