Comments on: 2008 – The Year of Client Java? http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/ Rich Internet Applications | Flex | Adobe AIR | Java | Open Source | Linux | Enterprise Software | Cloud Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:17:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: James Ward http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/comment-page-1/#comment-55543 James Ward Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:37:53 +0000 http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/#comment-55543 Chandru, Ahhh... Yes. I was confused. Sorry. I thought you were talking about Flash having a Quickstarter. I think you are right. Last I heard the Quickstarter for the Consumer JRE isn't available on anything except Windows. Which makes for a different experience between different platforms. This is something Flash has been able to avoid quite well. Flash is Flash is Flash. No matter what platform the experience is the same. -James Chandru,

Ahhh… Yes. I was confused. Sorry. I thought you were talking about Flash having a Quickstarter. I think you are right. Last I heard the Quickstarter for the Consumer JRE isn’t available on anything except Windows. Which makes for a different experience between different platforms. This is something Flash has been able to avoid quite well. Flash is Flash is Flash. No matter what platform the experience is the same.

-James

]]> By: Chandru http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/comment-page-1/#comment-55466 Chandru Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:01:05 +0000 http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/#comment-55466 Quickstarter is a feature included in Consumer JRE aimed at making Java start faster on Windows platforms. This feature is not available on non-windows platforms. Yes, flash does start fast on non-windows platforms too. That is why I suggest that RIA developers must use it instead of Java applets. Quickstarter is a feature included in Consumer JRE aimed at making Java start faster on Windows platforms. This feature is not available on non-windows platforms. Yes, flash does start fast on non-windows platforms too. That is why I suggest that RIA developers must use it instead of Java applets.

]]> By: James Ward http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/comment-page-1/#comment-55262 James Ward Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:04:47 +0000 http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/#comment-55262 What is the Quickstarter? I don't think there is such a think with Flash Player. Flash applications should start-up in nearly the exact same amount of time on all platforms. -James What is the Quickstarter? I don’t think there is such a think with Flash Player. Flash applications should start-up in nearly the exact same amount of time on all platforms.

-James

]]> By: Chandru http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/comment-page-1/#comment-55215 Chandru Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:29:09 +0000 http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/#comment-55215 Quickstarter is not available on non-Windows platforms. Now that means it will continue to be slow on Linux desktops. Though I'm a big fan of Open-Source, I'd suggest RIA developers to go with Flex & Flash rather than Java for the simple fact that Flash player starts on Linux almost as fast as it does on Windows. But Java will not. Quickstarter is not available on non-Windows platforms. Now that means it will continue to be slow on Linux desktops. Though I’m a big fan of Open-Source, I’d suggest RIA developers to go with Flex & Flash rather than Java for the simple fact that Flash player starts on Linux almost as fast as it does on Windows. But Java will not.

]]> By: En bref « Web.java http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/comment-page-1/#comment-32162 En bref « Web.java Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:13:53 +0000 http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/#comment-32162 [...] http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/ : Il faut bien reconnaître que Java reste un langage d’ingénieur. Il suffit de comparer l’architecture de Air et de JavaFX pour constater que les développeurs de Sun ne cherchent pas à prendre en compte le point de vue des graphistes. [...] [...] http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/ : Il faut bien reconnaître que Java reste un langage d’ingénieur. Il suffit de comparer l’architecture de Air et de JavaFX pour constater que les développeurs de Sun ne cherchent pas à prendre en compte le point de vue des graphistes. [...]

]]> By: Joshua Marinacci http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/comment-page-1/#comment-31985 Joshua Marinacci Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:12:13 +0000 http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/#comment-31985 I completely agree. Flash beats Java when it comes to installed base of runtimes, but Java isn't far behind. We have Sun's version of Java on 62% of computers out there (92% if we count the older MS JVM), and that number is growing by 40million people a month. But the reason I'm so excited is that we have a lot of technologies and initiatives coming together next year that will make Java in the browser a great platform to build on. Not just the Consumer JRE, but also new libraries and tools. And of course the Java FX Script language. I see the new FX initiatives as part of a larger shift from straight HTML apps to Rich Internet Applications. Some will be Flash, some AJAX, some Java, and of course most will have some mixture of the three. Competition is good for developers and consumers. It's going to be an exciting world. A few years from now we will look back at the web circa 2007 and think how primitive it is. This is a great time to be a client developer. I completely agree. Flash beats Java when it comes to installed base of runtimes, but Java isn’t far behind. We have Sun’s version of Java on 62% of computers out there (92% if we count the older MS JVM), and that number is growing by 40million people a month. But the reason I’m so excited is that we have a lot of technologies and initiatives coming together next year that will make Java in the browser a great platform to build on. Not just the Consumer JRE, but also new libraries and tools. And of course the Java FX Script language. I see the new FX initiatives as part of a larger shift from straight HTML apps to Rich Internet Applications. Some will be Flash, some AJAX, some Java, and of course most will have some mixture of the three. Competition is good for developers and consumers. It’s going to be an exciting world. A few years from now we will look back at the web circa 2007 and think how primitive it is. This is a great time to be a client developer.

]]> By: James Ward - RIA Cowboy » Blog Archive » Flex & Flash as Competitors to Java? http://www.jamesward.com/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/comment-page-1/#comment-31951 James Ward - RIA Cowboy » Blog Archive » Flex & Flash as Competitors to Java? Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:19:06 +0000 http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/07/26/2008-the-year-of-client-java/#comment-31951 [...] previously discussed, my friend Joshua from Sun recently blogged about how the consumer JRE will take market share from [...] [...] previously discussed, my friend Joshua from Sun recently blogged about how the consumer JRE will take market share from [...]

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